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In 2002 BBC television carried out a poll to discover whom the United Kingdom public considered the 100 Greatest Britons in history. When the result was published it included only 13 women. Three of the women were current members of the royal family. It also included two other strange choices, the actress Julie Andrews (59th) and the author J. K. Rowling (83rd).

Emmeline Pankhurst did make the top 100 but there was no place for other more important figures in the struggle for women's suffrage such as Millicent Fawcett, Emmeline Pethick-Lawrence, Lydia Becker, Charlotte Despard and Teresa Billington-Greig. One wonders if this is a class issue. Mrs. Pankhurst gave up the struggle after middle-class women over 30 got the vote with the passing of the Qualification of Women Act. Why was Eleanor Rathbone not on the list? She was the leader of the National Union of Societies for Equal Citizenship (NUSEC) who carried on the fight for getting the vote for women on the same terms as men.

The 87 men on the list were helped by the emphasis placed on certain areas such as military leaders (12) and politicians (10). In an area where women tend to do well, social reformers, there were only two women named, Florence Nightingale (52nd) and Marie Stopes (100th). Other great social reformers such as Dorothea Beale, Annie Besant, Catherine Booth, Josephine Butler, Elizabeth Fry, Emily Hobhouse, Sophia Jex-Blake and Caroline Norton, are all missing.

It is not only women who suffer if they are considered to be social reformers. Apart from Tom Paine (34th) those who struggled to win the vote for men are also ignored. This includes Jeremy Bentham, William Blake, Lord Byron, Richard Carlile, William Cobbett, Erasmus Darwin, William Hazlitt, Henry Hetherington, John Stuart Mill, Joseph Priestley, Percy Bysshe Shelley and Richard Sheridan, who also achieved great things in other areas such as philosophy, science and the arts.

The Conservative politician, William Wilberforce (28th) is on the list to represent those who campaigned against the slave-trade. However, those women who opposed slavery such as Elizabeth Heyrick, Anne Knight, Mary Lloyd, Hannah More, Sophia Sturge, Amelia Opie, Elizabeth Pease, Mary Anne Rawson, Jane Smeal, Lucy Townsend and Annabella Byron, are not there. Those men who were more important than Wilberforce in the struggle to end the trade, for example, Thomas Clarkson and Granville Sharp, do not appear.

Entrepreneurs also do badly. Only Richard Branson (85th) appears on the list. None of those early businessmen who were at the forefront of the industrial revolution are included. What is more, most of those who should have been included, were also social reformers. This includes Matthew Boulton, John Fielden, Robert Owen, Titus Salt, Josiah Wedgwood and John Wilkinson.

Over the next few months I will be compiling an alternative 100 Greatest Britons. The list will be made up of 50 men and 50 women. My main objective will be to select people who made an important contribution to making life better for the majority of our citizens. I have collected together the names of 100 women that I will be choosing from.

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Death of Antarctic Explorer Ernest Shackleton

Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton, Anglo-Irish Antarctic explorer who led three British expeditions to the Antarctic, dies of a heart attack in Grytviken, South Georgia on January 5, 1922. He is one of the principal figures of the period known as the Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration.

Born in Kilkea, County Kildare, Shackleton and his Anglo-Irish family move to Sydenham, London when he is ten. His first experience of the polar regions is as third officer on Captain Robert Falcon Scott‘s Discovery Expedition of 1901–04, from which he is sent home early on health grounds, after he and his companions Scott and Edward Adrian Wilson set a new southern record by marching to latitude 82°S. During the Nimrod Expedition of 1907–09, he and three companions establish a new record Farthest South latitude at 88°S, only 97 geographical miles from the South Pole, the largest advance to the pole in exploration history. Also, members of his team climb Mount Erebus, the most active Antarctic volcano. For these achievements, he is knighted by King Edward VII on his return home.

After the race to the South Pole ends in December 1911, with Roald Amundsen‘s conquest, Shackleton turns his attention to the crossing of Antarctica from sea to sea, via the pole. To this end, he makes preparations for what becomes the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition, 1914–17. Disaster strikes this expedition when its ship, Endurance, becomes trapped in pack ice and is slowly crushed before the shore parties can be landed. The crew escapes by camping on the sea ice until it disintegrates, then by launching the lifeboats to reach Elephant Island and ultimately South Georgia Island, a stormy ocean voyage of 720 nautical miles and Shackleton’s most famous exploit.

In 1921, Shackleton returns to the Antarctic with the Shackleton–Rowett Expedition on a 125-ton Norwegian sealer, named Foca I, which he renames Quest. When the party arrives in Rio de Janeiro, he suffers a suspected heart attack. He refuses a proper medical examination, so Quest continues south, and on January 4, 1922, arrives at South Georgia. In the early hours of the next morning, Shackleton summons the expedition’s physician, Alexander Macklin, to his cabin, complaining of back pains and other discomfort. According to Macklin’s own account,he tells Shackleton he has been overdoing things and should try to “lead a more regular life,” to which Shackleton answers, “You are always wanting me to give up things, what is it I ought to give up?” “Chiefly alcohol, Boss,” replies Macklin. A few moments later, at 2:50 AM on January 5, 1922, he suffers a fatal heart attack. At his wife’s request, he is buried there.

Away from his expeditions, Shackleton’s life is generally restless and unfulfilled. In his search for rapid pathways to wealth and security, he launches business ventures which fail to prosper, and he dies heavily in debt. Upon his death, he is lauded in the press but is thereafter largely forgotten, while the heroic reputation of his rival Scott is sustained for many decades. Later in the 20th century, Shackleton is “rediscovered”. He rapidly becomes a role model for leadership as one who, in extreme circumstances, kept his team together in a survival story described by cultural historian Stephanie Barczewski as “incredible.”

In his 1956 address to the British Science Association, Sir Raymond Priestley, one of his contemporaries, says “Scott for scientific method, Amundsen for speed and efficiency but when disaster strikes and all hope is gone, get down on your knees and pray for Shackleton,” paraphrasing what Apsley Cherry-Garrard had written in a preface to his 1922 memoir The Worst Journey in the World. In 2002, Shackleton is voted eleventh in a BBC poll of the 100 Greatest Britons.

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Then again I do think he's underestimated and well derserves a place in the top ten, he didn't just build a railway. Apart from the first wrought Iron suspension bridge, the first underwater tunnel, he made this,



IKB being a rather well known and certainly important engineer, he has left mainy very visable traces of his work, and he should not be underestimated, would place him highly in any list of 100 greatest brits, the voting conspiracy of engineering students across the country may have certainly skewed it.


Does anyone find this Russian list slightly perturbing?

  1. St. Alexander Nevsky (1220–1263), the Grand prince of Novgorod and Vladimir (1862–1911), a prime minister of the Russian Empire (1878–1953), the Soviet premier, Generalissimo of the Soviet Union (1799–1837), a writer and poet "the Great", (1672–1725), the First Emperor of Russia (1870–1924), a revolutionary and the founder of the Soviet Union (1821–1881), a prosaic (1729–1800), the Russian Imperial Army general (1834–1907), a chemist and the inventor of the periodic table of elements "the Terrible" (1530–1584), a tsar "the Great" (1729–1796), an empress (1818–1881), an emperor

Sensible Russians, because Dostoyevsky is better than Tolstoy


Nobody has so far comented about Greek one.

I happened to kinda follow that one,and I think some 700.000 votes were collected.Even if we account for a multiple voting,that's still a fairly large percentage of population that participated(Greece has some 11 milion citizens).

1.Alexander the Great
2.Georgios Papanikolaou
3.Theodoros Kolokotronis
4.Konstantinos Karamanlis
7.Eleftherios Venizelos
8.Ioannis Kapodistrias

Five from Antiquity,five from modern era.No sign of Cleopatranuts,Homer is 17th,Leonidas 19th,Themistocles 41st,Philip II 96th.There are both Thucydides and Herodotus,as well as all four great Attic dramatists(Aeschylus,Sophocles,Euripides,Aristophanes).Two best sculptors are also there(Phidias and Praxiteles),as well as two Athenian reformers(Solon and Cleisthenes)

From Byzantine Era only 6:Basil II,Constantine I,Constantine XI Palaiologos,Justinian I,Gemistus Plethon,El Greco.No doubt some of those choices would be considered controversial.

"One Hundred Greatest Britons" provides examples of:

  • Ace Pilot: Douglas Bader at #47.
  • Audience Participation: British viewers were allowed to vote their candidates to the top.
  • Brave Scot: William Wallace at #48 and Robert the Bruce at #74.
  • Brit Com: #17 Michael Crawford, best known as Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em and #32 Eric Morecambe from Morecambe and Wise were the only two British TV comedians to make the list, and Crawford no doubt also got a heavy boost from Phantom of the Opera fans as well.
  • British Rock Star: John Lennon at #8, Paul McCartney at #19, David Bowie at #29, Boy George at #46, Cliff Richard at #56, Freddie Mercury at #58, George Harrison at #62, Bob Geldof at #75, Bono at #86 (even though he is in no way British) and John Lydon at #87.
  • The British Royal Family: Princess Diana ended at #3, Elizabeth I at #7, Alfred the Great #14, Queen Victoria #18, Elizabeth II at #24, the Queen Mum at #61, Henry V at #72, Robert the Bruce at #74, Richard III at #82 , Henry the Second at #90 and Edward I at #94.
  • Cannot Tell Fiction from Reality: The inclusion of King Arthur at #51, who is more a legendary character than a historical figure was criticized for being this.
  • Documentary: All Top 10 nominees received their own documentary episode in which a British TV presenter explained why this particular person deserved to win.
  • I Am Very British: Well, with a title like that.
  • Historical Domain Character: Naturally.
  • Historical Hero Upgrade: Several of the candidates who ended up in the list weren't free from controversy:
    • Oliver Cromwell: Ended at #10, which was controversial because Cromwell was widely disliked by his own people at the time, not just Royalists but also Parliamentarians who considered him a traitor to their cause, and loathed in Ireland to this day for his war crimes. Clarendon, a prominent Royalist who regarded Cromwell as the most wicked of all men neatly summed up the contradictory nature of Cromwell, noting that "as he had all the wickedness against which damnation is denounced and for which hell fire is prepared, so he had virtues which have caused men in all ages to be celebrated", even praising his industriousness and wisdom even if they were put to what he saw as evil use.
    • #16, Margaret Thatcher was also considered to be a polarizing choice. Her politics and economics weren't exactly considered beneficial to the working class population.
    • #30, Guy Fawkes, tried blowing up the English Parliament and was executed for high treason.
    • #40, Henry VIII, a king who married six times and had two of them decapitated. His personal extravagance brought the country in a lot of financial trouble, to say nothing of his poor record as a war leader.
    • #64, James Connolly, an Irish nationalist and socialist, executed (while delirious and already dying of his wounds) by the British Army in 1916. (Naturally, the "upgrade" element only applies in the UK.)
    • #73, Aleister Crowley was a controversial choice for being an occultist, nicknamed "The Wickedest Man Of All Time".
    • #82, Richard III has long been suspected of having murdered his nephews.
    • #3 Princess Diana would doubtless make the list were it compiled again today as opposed to just a few years after her tragic death, but she probably wouldn't make the top five. By contrast, her old nemesis #24 HM The Queen would probably have a better showing and might even crack the top 10, given the greatly recovered popularity of the royal family in general and her in particular. In consolation to Diana, both of her sons and especially her daughter-in-law would all have a very good chance of joining her in the Top 100.
    • Thanks to Dead Artists Are Better, David Bowie would probably improve considerably on his already quite high #29 showing. But apart from Bowie it's an open question of how many of the chosen entertainers would survive a new election. (Dead Artists Are Better might have also been the reason why #62 George Harrison placed as high as he did - yes, he's a Beatle, but he had also died the year before.)
    • #67 Tony Blair held that ranking at more or less the very peak of his popularity (the poll was conducted the year after his second general election victory). The Iraq War, which he championed, started the following year, and this ultimately contributed to his fall from grace and his departure from politics.
    • #16 Given how polarizing she is and despite her death in the interim, it's unlikely that Margaret Thatcher would move much in either direction.
    • #2 Isambard Kingdom Brunel would probably see his position plummet with his primary advocate, Jeremy Clarkson, having burned bridges at the BBC and lacking a bully pulpit for him.
    • General societal trends have flipped from judging people based on their accomplishments despite their personal views and actions to judging people based on their personal views and actions despite their accomplishments. People who did things or even just expressed views modern audiences would find repugnant probably wouldn't be given the same pass they were in 2002. This affects a lot of people on the list, ranked as high as #1 Winston Churchill, although the extent varies (Churchill will always compare favourably with Adolf Hitler).
    • Guy Fawkes at #30, tried to blow up the English Parliament in 1605. He wanted to restore Catholicism to England.
    • James Connolly, at #64, was executed for treason for his part in the 1916 Rising. He was fighting for an independent, socialist Ireland, and would probably be ambivalent at best about being considered a Briton.

    The 50 greatest Britons revealed: Wills and Kate are in but where are Bobby Moore and Thomas Hardy?

    Margaret Thatcher and seven royals made the controversial list. Read on for what an outraged Paul Routledge thinks of it all.

    If you despair of modern celebrities who win fame by showing off their ignorance on TV reality shows. then take heart.

    A survey has named the 50 most inspiring Britons and there’s not a Towie or Big Brother name in sight.

    From Spitfire ace Douglas Bader to acting royalty Dame Judi Dench, the list celebrates the best of our talent and achievement.

    And though there plent of modern names, the No 1 spot goes to a heroine who died 105 years ago.

    • The survey was compiled by clothing firm Rohan for their Gift Your Gear campaign, which encourages people to donate unwanted outdoor clothing to community projects. www.rohan.co.uk .

    Opinion: Sorry Joanna, Becks and Harry. you don&apost inspire me!

    By Paul Routledge

    Most of us have someone in our lives who inspired us to do better. To do things we never thought we could, until we tried.

    For me, it was the teachers at my old grammar school in Normanton, west Yorkshire, who opened my eyes to a world beyond the horizons of a pits &aposn&apos railways town.

    You won’t find English masters David Croft and David Gotch, or headteacher John Hamilton who almost got me through A level Ancient Greek, in any Top 50 League of Inspirational Brits.

    That’s why the whole concept is flawed. The latest list might properly be titled Brits Who Made The Headlines. Brits Who Got On The Back Page. Brits Who Reached The Podium. Brits You Vaguely Remember From School History Books.

    This credulous catalogue of people you might have heard of but might prefer to forget is more interesting for who it leaves out than for who it includes.

    Where is Charlotte Bronte? Where is Thomas Hardy? And our national treasure, Alan Bennett?

    What kind of list includes that witless hoofer Joanna Lumley, but excludes Maggie Smith, Sir Laurence Olivier, Sean Connery and David Niven?

    OK, so you don’t read or go to the theatre/cinema. But where is Bobby Moore, the modest football hero who actually won the World Cup, unlike David Tattoo at number 34, in there with a clutch of lady athletes soon to be forgotten.

    And where, pray, are the politicians who shaped our lives for the better? Winston Churchill, I grant you. But where is Clement Attlee, our greatest Labour premier?

    Where is Nye Bevan, who gave us the National Health Service, the greatest boon of the last century?

    The Royal Family are “in” because they’re so prominent in public life. But, honestly, who was ever inspired by Prince Harry? To do what? Get legless and get into trouble?

    Or that non-speaking doll, the Duchess of Cambridge? Does she inspire young women to marry a prince?

    Get out of it! If you need inspiration, don’t take a cue from the great (or even fashionable) figures of history. Just decide what you want to do, and go for it.

    Thomas Edison, inventor of the light bulb, pointed out more than a hundred years ago, that “genius is one per cent inspiration, and 99% perspiration.”

    A consistent deliverer of the spectacular, Abedi Pele is Africa’s most famous, talented and decorated player of all time. An attacking midfielder/winger, he combined superlative dribbling ability with a penchant for ludicrous, near impossible goals. With Marseille, he would win the French side’s only Champions League trophy, being voted man of the match in the final against Milan. He has played for Ghana 73 times and remains its top goal scorer for Ghana's Black Stars, despite never having played as a striker.

    100 Greatest Britons - History

    Participants in the survey voted the second World War leader top of the list of the country's 100 most significant individuals, with 447,423 votes.

    He beat his nearest rival, engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel, by more than 56,000 votes.

    Proceeds from phone votes will fund a permanent memorial to Churchill at a venue yet to be decided.

    The result came after a lively two-hour live debate on BBC2 in which celebrities including former Tory minister Michael Portillo and TV presenter Jeremy Clarkson argued the case for their choices for greatest Briton.

    It marked the conclusion of a month-long survey in which viewers cast their votes by telephone and e-mail.

    Former Northern Ireland Secretary Dr Mo Mowlam put the case for Churchill in the last of six BBC documentaries this week, provoking a late surge of support for him.

    Summarising her argument, she said: "If Britain - its eccentricity, its big heartedness, its strength of character - has to be summed up in one person, it has to be Winston Churchill."

    In third place was Diana, Princess of Wales.

    Great Britons, which began on 20 October, has been hailed as a great success by BBC executives, delighted with its average ratings of three million.

    It has led to campaigns among voters using "sophisticated" tactics to cast multiple votes for certain individuals.

    The BBC said it had identified people trying to rig the voting and their choices had been eliminated.

    Students from Brunel University were behind a "legitimate" campaign to get their institution's namesake out in front.

    Similar bona fide efforts have been initiated by fans of other contenders like John Lennon and Princess Diana.

    Churchill had been even-money favourite with bookmaker William Hill to win the contest, with Diana at 6-1 and Brunel at 20-1. The book was closed after bets piled up on Brunel.

    "The show has seized the public's imagination and sparked off a lot of debate," said the BBC spokeswoman. "Everyone's delighted with it."

    100 Greatest Britons

    100 Greatest Britons was broadcast in 2002 by the BBC. The programme was based on a television poll conducted to determine whom the United Kingdom public considered the greatest British people in history.

    You guys must have seen this programme or remember when this poll happened. I was wondering seriously what you guys think of the top 10 in the list? Do you agree or disagree?

    Also make your own Top 10 greatest britons ever in your own eyes. Of course there can be Irish persons too like some of the ones that made the original 100 list. The point of this thread is not to debate popular vote or what is "britishness" but to hail some of the great historical persons.


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    Defending the SF genre with terminal intensity

    From my distant memories of the program, my feeling was that the order that was given was partially down to the advocates and recent history at the time. Basically Jeremy Clarkson argued for Brunel, and I think the force of his gigantic personality (and head) swayed a lot of petrol heads to vote for him. Brunel is a great Briton but he's not 2nd in my list at all. Also Diana, Princess of Wales, had just died five years before and was still in many's memories - I think if the poll was to be re-run she would drop down.

    I think I actually did vote - for Isaac Newton (but then I would as I'm a Physicist by training ) Then Darwin would move up too.

    I would disagree with Winston Churchill at the top - because he was a complex man. Yes he was exactly what the country needed to fight off Hitler, but then he was also an ardent imperialist and old-fashioned (the electorate saw that in the polls in 1945*) Was the one of those responsible for the disaster at Gallipoli as well as a catalogue of other ills.

    Shakespeare goes without saying - but oddly I'd also stick with Elizabeth I up there (oddly, because she was never my queen! My [unofficial**] Elizabeth the first is still on the throne today ) but she was the first successful English queen and had a great deal of power and success in very trying times.

    * and I should point out he lost again in 1950, although to be fair to him 20 months later he got back in!
    ** I know, I know the numbering rules are for whatever leads on from the highest king/queen either side of the border.

    Ray McCarthy

    Sentient Marmite: The Truth may make you fret.


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    Diana and Lennon were dramatically overrated. Alfred the Great should be on that list, perhaps likewise Edward III.

    I like history but I'm not that into modern history (I prefer Roman stuff, by and large) so I don't feel that qualified to comment much further.


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    From my distant memories of the program, my feeling was that the order that was given was partially down to the advocates and recent history at the time. Basically Jeremy Clarkson argued for Brunel, and I think the force of his gigantic personality (and head) swayed a lot of petrol heads to vote for him. Brunel is a great Briton but he's not 2nd in my list at all. Also Diana, Princess of Wales, had just died five years before and was still in many's memories - I think if the poll was to be re-run she would drop down.

    I think I actually did vote - for Isaac Newton (but then I would as I'm a Physicist by training ) Then Darwin would move up too.

    I would disagree with Winston Churchill at the top - because he was a complex man. Yes he was exactly what the country needed to fight off Hitler, but then he was also an ardent imperialist and old-fashioned (the electorate saw that in the polls in 1945*) Was the one of those responsible for the disaster at Gallipoli as well as a catalogue of other ills.

    Shakespeare goes without saying - but oddly I'd also stick with Elizabeth I up there (oddly, because she was never my queen! My [unofficial**] Elizabeth the first is still on the throne today ) but she was the first successful English queen and had a great deal of power and success in very trying times.

    * and I should point out he lost again in 1950, although to be fair to him 20 months later he got back in!
    ** I know, I know the numbering rules are for whatever leads on from the highest king/queen either side of the border.

    I respect Diana for her charity work and like you said her tragic death few years before the vote helped her cause. She has nothing to do with a top 10 list of greatest britons with the likes legendary people in the history of mankind like Shakespeare,Elizabeth I, Sir Isaac Newton,Darwin.

    Churchil was important for WWII but he was after all a minister who lost, one of the people who created the modern borders for nations in the middle east and one of the reasons for the mess today. I agree he would not top the list as nr.1 for me either. A smart politician comes and goes often but legendary Queens who changed her nations history, greatest playright in history, Newton and Darwin is more greater in my eyes. He is a given in top 5-10 but not nr. 1 imo.

    How would your top 10 look? I would keep from that top 10 list Shakespeare, Elizabeth I,Newton,Darwin,Churchill. Lennon,Diana, Brunel would not be in my top 10.

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  1. Kimane

    Bravo, your thought will come in handy

  2. Pascual

    nice photo asshopped

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